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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenFrog View Post
    Welcome. Please post your info from England.
    I second that.
    I think the coming UK collapse will precede the USA collapse.
    Nice to get some UK news from the front line.
    Post collapse nocturnal mammals will do ok against human predation. Coyotes will be the largest mammal available by 2100. Cannibalism is easier than trapping coyotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsy_gardener View Post
    I think the coming UK collapse will precede the USA collapse.
    Nice to get some UK news from the front line.
    What do you envision this collapse to look like? I don't have a good idea, but my view has evolved over the past couple decades as I recognized the system is more robust and resilient than I had thought. I find it hard to imagine how it could be worse than has has occurred in places like ukraine, syria, or lebanon. And the circumstances in those places are much worse than in the UK and US so wouldn't expect it to get that bad here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zac View Post
    What do you envision this collapse to look like? I don't have a good idea, but my view has evolved over the past couple decades as I recognized the system is more robust and resilient than I had thought. I find it hard to imagine how it could be worse than has has occurred in places like ukraine, syria, or lebanon. And the circumstances in those places are much worse than in the UK and US so wouldn't expect it to get that bad here.
    We live in a highly networked society with the inertia to absorb failures but if the failures come faster than they can be resolved the failures cascade and system collapse follows. The population bomb, climate surprises, pollution of all kinds, political clowns and thieves, etc are black swans coming home to roost. War, starvation, disease, murder, and suicide will reduce the human population of the planet to less than 1 billion maybe a little more if we're lucky. Interesting times indeed!
    Post collapse nocturnal mammals will do ok against human predation. Coyotes will be the largest mammal available by 2100. Cannibalism is easier than trapping coyotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsy_gardener View Post
    We live in a highly networked society with the inertia to absorb failures but if the failures come faster than they can be resolved the failures cascade and system collapse follows. The population bomb, climate surprises, pollution of all kinds, political clowns and thieves, etc are black swans coming home to roost. War, starvation, disease, murder, and suicide will reduce the human population of the planet to less than 1 billion maybe a little more if we're lucky. Interesting times indeed!
    Also, I think people in the US feel more entitled and are less tolerant of hardship, so they will turn to violence faster than people in countries with a more active memory of what real hardship is like.
    Judge carefully the rhythms signifying prosperity and those which spell regression. --Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zac View Post
    What do you envision this collapse to look like? I don't have a good idea, but my view has evolved over the past couple decades as I recognized the system is more robust and resilient than I had thought. I find it hard to imagine how it could be worse than has has occurred in places like ukraine, syria, or lebanon. And the circumstances in those places are much worse than in the UK and US so wouldn't expect it to get that bad here.
    Bloated is not robust and elastic is not resilient.

    We are still running for two and only two reasons:
    One, there is currently enough energy to make the system operate.
    Two, people currently wish to continue to play the game.

    The minute that either of those two things fails to be...game over.
    The school of hard knocks does not offer a tuition assistance program.

    The time to build an Ark is when the sun is still shining.

    The problem is...we are all part of the problem.

    The Post Apocalyptic Starvation Diet will succeed where all other diets have failed.

    The lack of the ability to adjust to new and different circumstances is by very definition the inability to evolve and as with all things that fail to evolve, they are doomed to extinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenFrog View Post
    Bloated is not robust and elastic is not resilient.

    We are still running for two and only two reasons:
    One, there is currently enough energy to make the system operate.
    Two, people currently wish to continue to play the game.

    The minute that either of those two things fails to be...game over.
    Yeah.
    That right there.
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